The economy and the election
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How do you think that the current economic crisis will impact the election?
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It will… but it shouldn’t.
Presidents don’t make economies work. Industrious Americans do.
Americans today thing that some president will make things better. Believe me, it will make no difference on the economy if one or the other gets elected.
But people think it will…. :sigh:
This is why I think it’s the perfect year to let Americans get a deep breath of that nasty smell we know as socialism. They’ll realize it doesn’t work.
Then we can talk about reform. It’s really sad that it takes this much to get Americans interested.
> Brian
Comment by Brian October 11, 2008 @ 10:36 pmNo year is ever a good year to let anyone get the “nasty smell we know as socialism”. It could turn out to be more like eight years – not “just” one (actually, a presidential term is four years long).
Comment by Trent Williams October 13, 2008 @ 3:19 pmCome on, Trent. That’s like saying it’s never a good thing to fall.
I’m by no means saying socialism is a good thing or that I want America to take a socialist turn. But sometimes it takes a fall or two (or FOUR!) to learn how to walk.
And, in case you were wondering, I do know that a presidential term is four years. But think about it. Do you really thing that if the current economic situation continues that Americans will stick with Obama?
You need to have faith that your beliefs work in real life. Because they do. Socialism doesn’t work. Period.
> Brian
Comment by Brian October 13, 2008 @ 6:04 pmThe vast majority of American’s vote from their wallets. As Christian’s we should always vote from morals first (e.g. abortion), finances second. But for the rest of Americans, they’ll base their vote with how the economy is positioned.
The one exception to this, is sometimes people will vote from a security standpoint (e.g. World War II). But as long as the economy stays on the downward path it’s currently on, then it’s a pretty safe prediction that the Democrats and Republicans will switch power of the Presidential office every 4 years for the foreseeable future.
Comment by Paul Hastings October 14, 2008 @ 12:30 pmHey Brian, I never thought that Americans would stick with Clinton, but they did. Sure, Socialism doesn’t work, but many times you don’t reap the consequences of the President’s economic policy till you’re in the next administration. The economy was good in the Clinton years because of Reagan’s policies. This whole economic fiasco is the result of the Clinton policies, but who gets blamed? Bush. You would be surprised by what the American people will put up with.
Comment by Hannah October 15, 2008 @ 2:59 pmBrian, what I am trying to address is the fatalistic mentality of the protest vote: “If we win today we can’t win tomorrow”. Not always. Why can’t we try and win all the time (like the liberals do)? I know it isn’t “probable”, but why do we give up after one win and say “Oh well, next time it’s their turn!”. Let’s keep plugging all the time.
The economy isn’t just something to write and talk about. The President will affect the economy he can push for projects and spending which will result in increased taxation. All of this will directly affect YOU! We should never put ourselves into a hole just so we can say “Now we’ll never do it again!”. What if it does happen again (remember the great depression?)?
Our job is to stop recession and depression from stopping by being good stewards of what we have (including our votes). One day we will answer before God what we did with our votes. What will he say? Will he be happy that you helped many Americans go through hard times just to test out your political theory? Will he smile when reviewing your life seeing that you essentially stole the American peoples money by supporting someone who actually did (protest voters admit that they are really ushering Obama for the next four years with their vote)?
The pro-test vote is really just that: a professional test. Is it worth it? What would Jesus do? What will he do when he hears what you have done?
Comment by Trent Williams October 15, 2008 @ 9:37 pmFantastic point Trent, One day we will answer before God what we did with our votes. What will he say?
Precisely. What will God say if we vote for a man who actively supports embryonic stem-cell research? A man who is an active proponent of murdering life. I can’t stress this enough, economics, security, military, and etc. aside, the greatest value is life. If a politician can’t get that right, then from God’s perspective they aren’t qualified.
You might argue that McCain will be the least worst enemy of life as opposed to Obama. What does God call for from us as Christians? The “least worst”, or obedience? I don’t need to answer that for you.
As Trent mentioned, “What would Jesus do? What will he do when he hears what you have done?
Comment by Paul Hastings October 16, 2008 @ 9:14 amA couple of major points that seem to be overlooked here:
1. Voting third-party is going to result in Obama: a vote for Barr or Baldwin is a vote for Bama (Obama).
2. Supporting someone who is going to increase taxing… …doesn’t that equal stealing? What’s the difference? Answer: no difference; you’re causing someone’s money to be taken that otherwise would have stayed in there possession had you acted differently.
Comment by Trent Williams October 16, 2008 @ 5:04 pmVery interesting that you bring up the example of the best year for an independent candidate. It also happened to be the only administration to survive with a balanced budget for a LONG time.
“Voting third-party is going to result in Obama: a vote for Barr or Baldwin is a vote for Bama (Obama).”
This statement is fundamentally flawed because it is not testable. Basically, I have just as much reason to believe the converse. So, try to use your same logic on this statement: “A vote for a third party is a vote against Obama.” Anybody?
Check out this nice John Stossel video on both president’s and the economy: http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6062018
To be honest with you, I am getting very frustrated with our society’s extremely partisan mindset. Since I am among friends, and don’t want to get any madder than I am, I’m just going to stop talking about partisan politics here. Blessings,
Comment by Brian October 25, 2008 @ 3:55 pm> Brian
Trent, I see the point you made and agree. That’s why I will no longer home-school.
After all, participating in homeschooling and likewise homeschooling my own kids will mean that I’m not letting them be a part of the public schools. Therefore they can’t help the pubic schools become better. Which means that homeschooling makes public schools worse.
Since the majority of society’s children attend public schools and homeschooling makes public schools worse, then homeschooling makes society worse at large.
A vote for homeschooling is a vote to make society worse.
Did that make sense? Was it logical? Precisely. Neither does the argument “a vote for Barr or Baldwin is a vote for Bama (Obama)”.
But keep it up man, this is good stuff.
Comment by Paul Hastings October 29, 2008 @ 1:44 amI know I am late in posting this, but…
A certain Brian Morgan likes to quote John Adams when he said: “Facare stubborn things”, it’s a very true and timely quote.
I could argue about the arguments (For example, homeschooling actually is better for the society as it has a greater ability to turn out more educated and better individuals – I am not saying that if you went or go to public school you aren’t smart – I am saying that, potentially, homeschooling is better for the society. Paul I’m sorry, but I don’t think your argument works.), but I would like to focus on the facts.
MY BIG POINT IS…
The statistical and historical facts make it clear that a third-party vote (especially in this election) will split the support for the major candidate (McCain) and allow him to loose against the other major candidate (Obama).
So in reality (since God allows us to choose our leader by elections), no matter what logic you use, no matter what argument you like, or dislike, and no matter what theological point you try to make this election has only two outcomes Obama or McCain.
HUGE POINT IS…
It’s the outcome of the vote that matters. Third-party voting is similar to hitting the “present-but-not-voting” button; third-party/present-but-not-voting voting results in a yes vote for the other major candidate (Obama). You see? The results of not voting or voting third-party is the same as voting for Obama.
Which, by the result of your vote, do you support for this election, Obama or McCain?
Praying for McCain to win,
Trent
Comment by Trent Williams November 3, 2008 @ 5:16 pm